Comments on: A few thoughts on feminism… http://www.bitmorecomplicated.com/a-few-thoughts-on-feminism/ Politics, Europe, Parenting, Faith, Life... because the most interesting things need deep thought and high heels Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:00:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: rose22joh http://www.bitmorecomplicated.com/a-few-thoughts-on-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-1908 rose22joh Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:01:25 +0000 http://www.bitmorecomplicated.com/?p=30#comment-1908 Joe - welcome to Bit More Complicated. I'll be over to check out The Near Distant Ago shortly. Yes, I know the image is American - and it's a jolly good one. Would that my graphic design skills were as accomplished! I take it from your comment that you're agreeing with me (although I'm a little confused by the Sarah Palin reference?) I guess I wouldn't look at the kind of feminism I'm talking about in this posting as a war of social attrition, but as an equal valuing of the rights of the individual - of all individuals. That means valuing both male and female, and of the roles that each plays (e.g. whether staying at home raising children or in the workplace). But it may also mean recognising that there's nothing bar childbirth and breastfeeding that prescribes that it must be one parent and not another that looks after children (or the ageing parent etc.). You could argue that it was in fact positively anti-freedom and fairness to constrain the choices of individuals through a societal assumption that women will always be the caregiver and hold back their career prospects on the basis of that assumption, or that fathers would rather be in their workplace in the breadwinner role than at home... surely giving everyone the choice - a real free choice - is not collectivism? Cheers. Joe – welcome to Bit More Complicated. I’ll be over to check out The Near Distant Ago shortly.
Yes, I know the image is American – and it’s a jolly good one. Would that my graphic design skills were as accomplished!
I take it from your comment that you’re agreeing with me (although I’m a little confused by the Sarah Palin reference?) I guess I wouldn’t look at the kind of feminism I’m talking about in this posting as a war of social attrition, but as an equal valuing of the rights of the individual – of all individuals. That means valuing both male and female, and of the roles that each plays (e.g. whether staying at home raising children or in the workplace). But it may also mean recognising that there’s nothing bar childbirth and breastfeeding that prescribes that it must be one parent and not another that looks after children (or the ageing parent etc.).
You could argue that it was in fact positively anti-freedom and fairness to constrain the choices of individuals through a societal assumption that women will always be the caregiver and hold back their career prospects on the basis of that assumption, or that fathers would rather be in their workplace in the breadwinner role than at home… surely giving everyone the choice – a real free choice – is not collectivism?
Cheers.

]]> By: Joe http://www.bitmorecomplicated.com/a-few-thoughts-on-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-1902 Joe Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:36:07 +0000 http://www.bitmorecomplicated.com/?p=30#comment-1902 It amazing how the -ism-ness of it, and many other deterministic looking wars of social attrition have their goals achieved and stop being useful to social revolutionaries when the simple, simple principal of the ***rights of the individual*** are used as a guide. Activists, ironically, seem to still believe that an asphyxiating raft of laws, collectivism, and what amounts to political tribalism are the firends of their goals. They aren't - they make people into servile flunkies to "social leaders", and in fact objectify its' members and forces them to conform politically and in deed. In other words, Betty Freidan is NOT your friend and liberator. Sarah Palin IS your friend and liberator. By the way, that image at the top is American. Rock on. It amazing how the -ism-ness of it, and many other deterministic looking wars of social attrition have their goals achieved and stop being useful to social revolutionaries when the simple, simple principal of the ***rights of the individual*** are used as a guide.

Activists, ironically, seem to still believe that an asphyxiating raft of laws, collectivism, and what amounts to political tribalism are the firends of their goals. They aren’t – they make people into servile flunkies to “social leaders”, and in fact objectify its’ members and forces them to conform politically and in deed.

In other words, Betty Freidan is NOT your friend and liberator. Sarah Palin IS your friend and liberator.

By the way, that image at the top is American. Rock on.
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]]> By: Parish Spinster http://www.bitmorecomplicated.com/a-few-thoughts-on-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Parish Spinster Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:57:47 +0000 http://www.bitmorecomplicated.com/?p=30#comment-15 Perhaps one reason why there are relatively few female MPs in this country is that (and I'm going to hop down from my fence for a minute) so much of politics appears to be conducted along the lines of chest-thumping alternating with nose-thumbing. It's puerile, achieves nothing but erosion of respect for those who attempt to dictate how we proles lives our lives. The sort of clear-sighted, organised woman who can run a home, corral recalcitrant children, balance a budget, provide clean and matching socks for one and all and put food on the table has better things to do that get involved with slanging matches over the despatch boxes. I'll get back on my fence now. ;) Perhaps one reason why there are relatively few female MPs in this country is that (and I’m going to hop down from my fence for a minute) so much of politics appears to be conducted along the lines of chest-thumping alternating with nose-thumbing. It’s puerile, achieves nothing but erosion of respect for those who attempt to dictate how we proles lives our lives. The sort of clear-sighted, organised woman who can run a home, corral recalcitrant children, balance a budget, provide clean and matching socks for one and all and put food on the table has better things to do that get involved with slanging matches over the despatch boxes.

I’ll get back on my fence now. ;)

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